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sick calf
by RanchMan90 (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:01:22 GMT+5)
I generally associate droopiness with respiratory problems. If you don't see results 24 hours after la200 get some draxxin.

Plastic hay rings
by danl (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:44:19 GMT+5)
True Grit Farms wrote:TCRanch wrote:We just bought another one like Bigfoot's pic. It's a Century, $260, bought it at one of the local Coops. We have 5 more that we've had for 8 years. And yes, they're bull proof

Ma'am I not one to tell someone how to run there operation. But your bull needs a bigger pen.

Does he really need a bigger pen, since it is obviously portable??
Or is that just the latest thing in intensive grazing?

Craigslist prize bulls
by midTN_Brangusman (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:35:44 GMT+5)
Rafter S wrote:

I don't know which is worst. That Hereford or the "Brangus".


Blue roan breed to red roan shorthorn
by DLD (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:35:34 GMT+5)
I'm not sure that those percentages are necessarily valid when crossing blue roans with red roans. Based on my experience (which is not huge, we run a handful of Shorthorn and blue roan cows in our club calf operation - many of our friends do too), crossing a blue roan with a red roan will most often get you a red roan. If you're trying to raise blue roans from red roans, you'll get a greater percentage of blues by using a homozygous black bull on your red roans. If you're trying to continue getting blue roan calves out of blue roan cows, breeding them to a white Shorthorn bull or a blue bull or even a black one seems to get more blue calves than a red or red roan. It seems like though the roan coloring may remain dominant, the blue has already diluted the black enough that the red ends up dominant over blue.

But just like Caustic said, if there's rhyme or reason to the Shorthorn cross color patterns, it's pretty hard to see. Best way to look at it when you're playing with those color patterns is every calf is like unwrapping a present - just when you think know exactly what it's going to be - surprise!

new fed law with antibiotics
by TexasBred (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:29:54 GMT+5)
cowboy43 wrote:I need to go straight to the source to get the correct information , when laws change their is always false information generated.
IGR (IGA as you called it) is not affected by the VFD. It is not an antibiotic !!!!!! Now if the same mineral contains an antibiotic then yes you must have a prescription to purchase it.

How to obtain a spotted calf
by Caustic Burno (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:23:54 GMT+5)
You can get some weird patterns out of SH. When I was haying my neighbors SH this morning I took this thee calves half Angus/SH and the Holstein looking heifer with is half Brangus/ SH.

black buzzards, any other ideas
by TexasBred (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:21:46 GMT+5)
dun wrote:City Guy wrote:Couple of "absolutely no experience" observations:
I thought vultures only ate carrion--guess I'm wrong.
What about mob grazing (you all know I'm a big fan) There is safety in numbers.
Calve in spring (you all know I abhor winter calving) There is plenty of easier-to-kill wildlife available.
And what is SSS?
These are not the usual turkey vultures, they are black buzzards/vulture aka Mexican Eagle.
SSS Shoot Shovel Shutup
I have no direct experience with them, just what others have said. But it appears it isn;t just a winter problem.
They are here year round and you'll seldom see a solitary bird. Not for long anyway. There will be large numbers. They will wear a cow out as she fights them to protect the calf. Unless someone intervenes they will eventually wear her down and kill the calf. They are attracted by both rotting flesh and fresh blood. They are aggressive and regular old turkey buzzards don't have a chance with them.

Sweet Sixteen
by Caustic Burno (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:17:24 GMT+5)
True Grit Farms wrote:They have different events in skeet for a reason. I've never been to a skeet tournament that has an event for 16 ga. The one's I attended have events for 12, 20, 28, and .410. I have a question for you CB, will a good gunner with a 12 ga out shoot a good gunner with a 16 ga every day at a tournament? You and I both know that answer.
Sixteen shoots in the 12 class.
The best gunner will eat up a 12 gauge with a 28 much less a 16.
Again it's about pattern and the man looking down the vent rib not the payload.
I shot competition for too many years with a 16.

Black Bulls on Green Grass
by gizmom (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:55:14 GMT+5)

It is expensive but worth the cost in the long run. The boss has spent the past three years working on a fifty acre field on the back side of the farm. It was really rough we had to get the cogan grass under control first and clearing work. He is trying to get all the piles burned but has to work on it between all the other farm work. Once completed it will be an excellent summer pasture which we desperately need. He also had to get it fenced. We actually ran heifers in the field this fall, had a good stand of millet but the dang heifers wouldn't stay on it. Since we don't have water in the field as yet we had to leave a gate open so they could go to water. They just wouldn't go back. We're thinking about putting our older cattle in there this summer I imagine they will appreciate having all that natural shade.

It sounds like you have a good plan, the millet sure puts some grow on the calves. Our weaning weights have been much higher since we started creep grazing instead of creep feeding.


The ins and outs of AI.
by Ebenezer (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:46:12 GMT+5)
Stocker Steve wrote:Ebenezer wrote:I do understand that the average producer in the beef industry is doing the opposite of all other protein producing competitors and it is not good for the beef industry or producer profits.

So you are proposing more separation between maternal and terminal lines?

I have forgotten the multiplier, but fertility is __ times more economically important than growth. I found it:

Cow herd reproductive potential is 10 times more important than calf growth traits and 20 times more important than calf carcass traits to herd profitability because without reproduction and a live birth calves aren't produced and don't grow.

So where is the main huff and puff in beef production and marketing?

If you are a purebred breeder you are taught to leer at AI bulls and drool over bulls and cows of given herd prefixes. A high priced ancestor or a show winner really makes a cow luscious and a bull extra tempting. Then if the "right people" are using something linked, Oh WOW! No animal has to have high accuracy just be a fad which is often a passing fad. Just buy the semen, use it and if it fails then you can be comforted to know that a lot of other progressive folks tried and failed with you. But some particular extreme EPD is important so that you can be a breed leader.

Commercial breeders have been schooled for decades that "pounds is where it is at". If you want to be really progressive you seek the best of carcass traits to add to the pounds with a blind eye to convenience traits such as udders, feet and legs. And the "best bull" is always the biggest one. Thus bull test stations cull the bottom and sell only the big boys and the "best". There is nothing better than a performance tested bull that has proven his worth .... or so they say.

What is the average bull in a bull test station? It is a bull sired by a bull that is known for terminal traits from a cow family with above average growth and carcass traits to keep the entered bulls from being in the bottom cut or having bad performance and measurements. So, the generation types stack like this: terminal, terminal, terminal, terminal, ...

I admire folks who see the problem. Some see it as a way to raise and promote duckbutt type cattle as protest types and to sell them they have to ignore sale barn prices and build hype on "efficiency" of the cow. Good enough but if we go broke being efficient and raising cattle that will only work in a minority nitch market then the majority of breeders of the "little boys" will go broke trying to be anti-standard breeders. Raising cattle in the right way is not a protest march against the establishment but should be for the good and income of the grower and his farm or ranch.

Cow herd reproductive potential is 10 times more important than calf growth traits and 20 times more important than calf carcass traits to herd profitability because without reproduction and a live birth calves aren't produced and don't grow.
So, does this 20X or 10X seem to favor terminal or maternal? I will assume that if you or I go to the places where we sell cattle and ask they can tell us a frame size that the order buyers want. So we can learn an appropriate sized animal for maximum returns. Then we make a personal decision: would I rather have $10 than $1 or maybe even $20 rather than $1?

We have established a frame size, a motivator and now we need highly fertile cattle. HP in Angus tell us about the initial breeding of a heifer but no more. Pathfinder tells us a bit about fertility but not fully about production. The weaning ratio on the calves of a pathfinder have to be above 100%. That is fine if the breeder is culling the bottom end enough to keep all weaning weights tight. But there are monkeys at the zoo. And, anyway, weaning weights have nothing to do with my extra $9 or $19. Somebody tell me about stability in other breeds- is it accurate and based on whole herd reporting?

Bottom line: we are doing the same things over and over again and losing protein market share and are not maxing out farm income. So after a rambling rant of the deranged: do we need to focus on maternal lines and means to select for the best of maternal lines?

Used Trucks
by True Grit Farms (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:39:11 GMT+5)
ddd75 wrote:chevytaHOE5674 wrote:You can tow as much as you can with a diesel, you just can't do it as fast.

hook up a 28' trailer for of cattle to your gas truck and let me know how it goes.

Torque makes a big difference in towing. I towed 12k with a new GM gas burner, it did alright besides all the down shifting on even a small hill, the high engine rpm's and with the electric cooling fan running most of the time it was loud.
The 6 liter gas engines of today, will pull more than my big blocks could in the 80's.

How long does lime take to "work"
by millstreaminn (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:38:52 GMT+5)
Had a field that called for a bit over 2 ton of lime to the acre, which I applied in March of last year. Took another soil test of same field last week and it calls for just under a ton to the acre. Wondering if I may have sampled a part of the field I didn't quite get 2 ton on or is the 2 ton still working to bring up the ph? This lime was spread on an established hayfield, not plow down, if that makes a difference.

Would you add another ton or wait?

Drilling millet into sod
by millstreaminn (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:34:12 GMT+5)
Thanks- Looks like I will kill the sod, one way or another. I have everything I need for balage so that is the route I will go with the millet.

Presentation-Vet recommendations
by M-5 (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:20:22 GMT+5)
dun wrote:City Guy wrote:Chemical de-worming creates strong worms and weak cows. Problem gets worse and more expensive over time. Genetics-genetics-genetics!
More great advice based on your vast knowledge and experience.

Where is that dadgum thumbs up button

It works on his imaginary herd , so it must work in real life.

Dwarf Sudan grass for hay ?
by ddd75 (Posted Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:14:11 GMT+5)

conditioner would be better but not needed.

knee high or below average size.

good hay.

not big stems if cut right.

eat good.

keep outside even with twine.


The International Brangus Breeders Association's (IBBA) 2017 Annual Meeting & Convention is scheduled for February 10-11 in San Antonio, Texas.
Debter Hereford Farm's 44th Annual Production Bull Sale was held, October 22nd, at the farm in Horton, Alabama.
It's time to drag out the trusty crystal ball and take a look at what 2017 has in store for the beef cattle industry. For this to make sense we need to consider where we came from and how we got to where we are.
Expected progeny differences (EPD's) have done wonders in improving the quality of our cattle. My only problem with EPD's is there aren't enough of them for traits that I'm most interested in.
Whether the proverbial chicken or egg, another round of agricultural consolidation appears to be spurred along by suppliers dealing with narrow margins.
“Suppose we could only make 1 million cars. If the auto industry was limited for some reason, what would they do? Would they make small, cheap vehicles or big, premium, expensive cars?” An industry observer asked that question at a cattle feeders meeting this summer.
A growing number of stockmen are calving later in the year (April, May or June) rather than early, to be more in tune with nature. They have green grass at calving time and less need for harvested forage when the cow's nutritional needs are peaking during lactation.
As of January 1, 2017, beef producers must comply with the new rule regarding use of antibiotics in feed. This rule is aimed at better management of certain antibiotics considered medically important to humans—putting them under more veterinary supervision. This is part of a larger movement to minimize development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

Dung beetles, earthworms and pollinators are the good guys when it comes to the health of soil and grassland resources.
Researchers at The Samuel Roberts Noble Foundation and University of Georgia (UGA) have developed a new white clover variety called Renovation to help agricultural producers improve and maintain healthy, productive pastures.
My shrewd buddy Everett came by for a visit today. I haven't seen him for awhile because he's been hauling stock, driving his John Deere and learning how to operate a backhoe.
Christmas Eve was always celebrated at a little two-room country school called Bethel School House out in the middle of Greggs' pasture.
For the cow-calf operation, the main goal is for each breeding female to produce a healthy calve once per year. That said, in the typical cow-calf operation, calving is, without a doubt one of the most important periods of the entire production year.
Selecting beef cattle based on expected progeny difference (EPD) values provides the most accurate selection method currently available to beef producers for economically important traits.

An ionophore is a feed additive used in beef cattle rations to improve feed efficiency and animal gains.

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